The claim of United now being ‘top dogs’ seems to be based on their extra league title. However, I would argue that it’s necessary to consider a club’s success in all tournaments before arriving at such a conclusion. Further consideration has to be given to the value of each competition (i.e, a Champions League victory is greater than a League Cup victory), therefore to fairly assess who really does sit on the perch, it is necessary to give a priority score to each tournament. The fairest way I could put this was:

European Cup/Champions League = 5 points for each tournament won.
League Champions = 4 points for each title won.
Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup = 3 points for each tournament won.
FA Cup = 2 points for each tournament won.
League Cup = 1 point for each tournament won.

I am not including the European Super Cup, Intercontinental Cup, World Club Championship or the Charity Shield, as all are more exhibition matches than proper tournaments.

If you tally Man Utd’s victories in each competition and multiply by the appropriate score, they reach a total of 120 points. They will score 125 if they beat Barca in this year’s Champions League final.

Liverpool on the other hand currently score 127 points, therefore in my completely impartial opinion, Liverpool are yet to be knocked off top spot. Sorry United fans, but Fergie’s work still isn’t done.
ynwa

“This is typical article by uninformed United fan.
You match “The Sun” though…..not gonna waste my time replying to this bollocks….”

So, you believe there is a Ferguson-FA plot?

And lets face it if RAWK is full of deluded twats who’s loyalty to Benitez totally clouds their opinion then all this article is is an obsessed manc who’s loyalty to their club and hatred of Liverpool is clouding his judgement on Benitez. So many things in this article are totally off the mark with regards to Benitez that I suggest the author could make a great career for himself in the S*n or The Fail.

There are some great posters on RAWK but the whole mentality is being policed by moderators that do things such as give people shithead titles “forra laff” and lock threads as soon as they start if someone dares question the logic of a sacred cow.

As for my time there, I didn’t get a bad custom title, I did however irk many people questioning Rafa and saying such unthinkable things as ‘maybe you guys are wrong occasionally’

At the end of the day I’m happy to have been banned. I no longer waste time frequenting forums. RAWK’s relationship to Rafa was like Motorola’s relationship to the ‘satellite phone’ – they invested so much money into the idea when there was no market and better technology was just around the corner. It almost bankrupt the company. To many RAWK minded people there unwilling to question the logic of a ruinous plan simply because the investment level was so deep.

I am personally delighted with the progress Liverpool FC have made since regaining control from Rafa. The boardroom are making great progress with marketing, public relations, appointments and the all important sale to investors with real money. Go to RAWK however and all the talk is of ‘don’t let these b**tards grind us down’… Despite signing Joe Cole, retaining Torres + Gerrard, Getting Roy as manager and being about to complete the sale to new owners. – They truly are an embarrassment to the club. – Although they are also deluded enough to think they practically own LFC.

Basically if you log onto RAWK with your own thoughts, prepare to walk alone.

YNWA

Brilliant.

YNWA

The working class man of Britain always falls into the same traps and mistakes. Hating each other for reasons we don’t even understand, for reasons that were and still are often the fault of money grabbing fat cats who just let the decent and hard working folk of the major cities and conurbations suffer from their greed and indifference to human suffering. It is from here the so called hatred between Liverpool and Manchester stems. Nothing to do with football and nothing to do with the great people of each city who share exactly the same Anglo-Irish roots and family values.

If we want to talk football then let’s do it with respect for the great teams both cities have produced and without the hate and malice that a history based on the greed and power of a class, that is far removed from the world in which most of us have to exist in, has imposed on us.

How encouraging it would be to see people breaking free of this false and flawed rivalry and instead honouring the suffering and sacrifices our ancestors from both great cities endured to make this very special part of Britain. The North West, the most unique and significant area of these isles in terms of history, culture and achievement.

Let’s build a rivalry based on the excellence of our achievements and the respect and understanding of our mutual roots. Stop putting each other down and let’s build our wonderful football heritage up. How fantastic it would be to be able to share a football discussion with a Scouser over a pie and a pint instead of hate and abuse. And what a wealth of football experiences, knowledge and special moments we all have to discuss.

Anyway, I’m sure the Liverpool fans with any intellectual ability will realise that the players didn’t perform last season at all. It was, to be frank, shameful. Rafa Benitez has a lot to answer for, but you have to remember, every pass that went wayward from Lucas, Kuyt and everybody else this season was out of Rafa’s control and even further out of the owners control. However, you come to realise, Rafa’s actually bought these players and persisted with playing them.

Nothing that us, the fans, can do about it really. We’re just ants viewed from a great height. So to be honest, I’ve stopped worrying about it and simply aiming for fourth place next season would be a step forward. Not sure who our next manager is going to be though….. I’d put money on Dalglish if the odds weren’t so crap.

Everything aside, your article is well structured and your argument stands. It doesn’t matter if Rafa has made sales to buy new players because he’s used that money to buy crap players. End of story.

Not sure why everybody insists on arguing and swearing at eachother. Sure, we support different football teams and live in different cities, but all it is, is fans casting their opinions. You should all respect that.