“can’t be arsed with one eyed pricks like yourself,”

Pot and kettle?

How can I be inferring that Hilsborough was Liverpool fans fault when both of my posts are in support of the justice campaign? I was trying to remind people of the images in the press of those people crushed up against the fences at Hilsborough, they did get there early that’s how they ended up at the front, I’m not disputing that people died elsewhere nor am I blaming Liverpool fans for causing it. Heysel was the same in the respect that the people furthest away from the trouble became the victims of the crush, the sure thing about both tragedies is that both sets of victims are innocent fact! you have chosen to ignore the fact that the main point of my post was not to tar all kopites with the same brush, and that the campaign should should be supported in spite of them/you.

You think its a “chuckle” to laugh at banners that are obviously intended to cause offence and probably trouble, what does that tell you about yourself? it tells me that you’re the sort of supporter that thinks it’s hilarious when it happens to others, but then wants to take the moral high ground when the boots on the other foot, typical of Liverpool fans these days, Spirit of Shankly? the great man must be turning in his grave at these neanderthal cocksuckers using his name.

You’re right in the respect that I don’t stand up and tell everyone to shush when they are singing those “songs” but I can hold my head up and say I have never joined in with them, can you? in much the same way as you didn’t jump on the pitch to protect Phil Neville when your fans were punching him and spitting at him.

Finally thicko, I don’t beat my wife, but if I did you’d probably think it’s a “chuckle”.

You know exactly what your inferring there, so direct blame or not I know what your on about. And as I said your ignorant to the facts, people died in the tunnel, people who got there late and where in the original crush outside. But am sure you already know all the facts.

I gather by your capital letters you are the first up out of your seat at Goodison, to condemn the hillsborough and heysel songs your fellow blues sing, no thought not.

Oh and am the thick one am I, ha, thats why you accuse someone you haven’t got a clue about of posting bevvied is it. Oh and resorting to insults.

Run along back to your wife beating now son.

Once a Mongrel, always a mongrel.

You sure your a blue, so everyone who died was in early where they. Check the facts, some links are on here. Obviously your to ignorant to look into it coz you know, don’t you.

Tell me where the “trouble” was at Hillsborough, The road works? Congestion at the turnstiles? Oh no, sorry you mean Liverpool fans bailing out of the pubs at 5 to 3 and killing our own fans bladdered, don’t you?

Your comments are a disgrace to OUR city, not a witty banner!

Yeah it does.

At least it does if you want to take one little part of what I said and ignore the rest.

And that makes it OK, Marco?

ALL clubs have knobhead fans, EFC fans who sing ‘murderers’, kopites with their banner and Munich 58 chants (by the way the person who said they have seen only 2 people sing it- get real or try going the game), MUFC fans who mock Hillsborough, London clubs with their anti-semitc views and so on…..ad nauseum. The people directly at fault at Anfield, Goodison, Old Trafford or anywhere else are the ground staff for not ejecting said people (such as the stewards in front of the banner at Anfield). UEFA rules clearly state that ground officials are responsible for keeping ‘good order’ at football matches – this includes the stopping of incitement and ejection of fans or removal of offensive material.

But ultimately it lies with the pricks who do it. God knows how many years of evolution and some still drag their knuckles on the floor….

Some of the responses on this board are as bad.

No one is innocent, no one is whiter than white.

Time to grow up?

Anyone that uses the death of any fan at a game to score points should be banned for life and charged. The stewards in that shot should also be kicked out – idiots!

I’m a Liverpool supporter 35 years and I am NOT a scouse cunt, murderer or anything else but moral person and football fan.

If you knew anything that went on during 70′s and 80′s football you would know running battles where common place. Young lads go the match for a scrap, shock, horror.
It was always going to happen, perhaps it needed to happen for the authorities to get tough. Remember the Chelsea fans who walked away from there charges scott free because the police cocked the evidence up.

I repeat, we had a major cause on Heysel but the banner was not about Heysel, it was about our small minded neighbours who have used Heysel, only since the mid 90′s mind, as an excuse for their own clubs incompetence and mis-management and baited us with the murderers tag since then too. Christ even Utd recovered from Munich all those years ago and went onto win the European Cup, the “JUNIOR” club on Liverpool managed to recorver from 2, yet they just found a convenient excuse to wallow in, good to see so many on here using there energy to keep tabs on thier second club though.

How old are you Chelcfc, you seem to lumber the 2 disasters together as our fault just because we where at both. Read Saul’s links rather than being ignorant. You may become enlightened, again this disaster was waiting to happen to any big club with a big boisterous following. Funny how no Utd on here mentioning Lyon or any other ticketting problems they’ve had down the years, check out the Spurs you tube video. Do a little bit of research and the facts are there, instead of just repeating what you have heard or read from our wonderfull press.

God knows why I am bothering you have obviously made you mind up, I would just like to think if someone was pointing out to me I was wrong and directing me towards the facts, I would be big enough to look into it and check wether I am right or wrong. Again I repeat Liverpool fans are partly, even mainly responsible for Heysel, but you can fuck right off if you think your pinning Hillsborough on us you cunt, we saved lives that day, do a bit of research instead of relying on the gutter press for your info.

I would be happy for Chelsea CCTV and security to gladly round these people up and chuck them out of football for good but what i love about your post is that you list two incidents that have happened separated by 4 years, in different countries, cities and stadiums where a total of 135 people lost their life and the only common thread is Liverpool Football Club and their supports. Your answer: official incompetence…relieving the fans and the club if any responsibility just for a change…what a twisted joke.

By the way i thought 2+2=5 was the opening song on Radiohead’s Hail To The Thief album…thanks for letting me know that was George Orwell.

I do not think the at Heysel and Hillsborough are the same event at all i just think by and large the same set of fans were responsible. And obviously the steaming into grounds and robbing people of tickets including children has been such a success in Liverpool’s past that they tried to re-enact the entire Hillsborough tragedy in Athens in 2007.

No it is quite clear to me, even sitting here in Los Angeles that the power that Liverpool fans have has been derived from their ability to effect the business outcome of even one as big as Murdoch with what has happened to The Sun newspaper on Merseyside and can be the only reason why the cowardly English media will never ever go after Liverpool fans for fear of the same thing.

It is sad because of course it is the ultimate violation of freedom of speech and by the way i know of this first hand even living in America i have seen Liverpool fans stretch their arm and their supporters groups to hate and threaten anyone who might simply have a different opinion on either of the two events we are talking about. To quote Shakespeare “the lady doth protest too much” and that is the point as it relates to Liverpool. It is amazing that for two incidents that LIverpool fans are so certain they are not responsible for but where 135 people lost their lives they get so up in arms although apparently they are 100% convinced of their innocence. BOLLOCKS!!!! They know they were largely responsible for both events they would just appreciate if nobody mentioned it.

As for the banner last week it simply shows the utter lack of any class of anyone to do with Liverpool Football Club that they would have allowed that fan to stay in the ground and that banner to fly for even one more second than it needed to.

Mocking 39 people who died is bad enough but using those 39 people that Liverpool fans killed as an instrument to try and wind up Everton fans is deplorable. As i said earlier Liverpool for all the fucking noise they make about their innocence they should be doing this stuff better and cleaner…but invariably they behave in the exact same manner that caused those 135 deaths.

And yes Shankly must be rolling over in his grave at SOS using his name in their attempt to bring down a reign of terror on whoever they feel should be their focus on any given day.

Long live Hicks and Gillette!!!!!

Everton said: Every time theres trouble at Anfield or Old Trafford, the media and opposing Clubs, all but call us a bunch of twats!

Who are you trying to kid, plenty of stuff that goes on with all fans doesn’t get mentioned. Your lads walking down Anfield Road holding up copies of the sun for one.

They are an embarrassment.

Republic of Mancunia is an independent website though and only represents the views of the lad who runs it. It’s a bit different to taking a massive banner to a game and waving it at the opposition. By all accounts not one Liverpool fan told them to take it down and you can even see stewards standing in front of it and choosing not to do anything.

The only reason I brought attention to this is the hypocrisy of it. For years Liverpool fans have bleated on about “justice for the 96″ and while it is a worthy cause, it’s undermined when you have idiots in your crowd waving banners like that and you have Spirit of Shankly organizing Munich singalongs at their official end of season parties.

I think we can all agree that you don’t support your club or team by singing about football tragedies, holding up offensive banners about football tragedies or using a football tragedy as a means to taunt your rivals.

There are idiots at LFC, MUFC, EFC, CFC, in fact the whole league, however, it gets truly tiresome when you see sites like “republicofmancunia” openly selling t-shirts, badges and boxer shorts referring to Heysel that are far more offensive than that pathetic banner, yet receiving no condemnation from Man Utd fans or indeed the club.

Lots of irony in this discussion.

You do realise the whole topic was brought about because Liverpool fans were using Heysel to score cheap points don’t you?

So Hillsborough = Heysel in your tiny mind? Or, as Orwell put it: 2 + 2 = 5.

You say your Jewish? Well I am not, but I hate racism of any sort and I find it outrageous when a Chelsea fan can mutter “murderers”, because his team has been beaten in a game of football, or posts on the internet about Liverpool fans being “murderers” when he is happy to stand alongside Chelsea fans who give nazi salutes, hiss the sound of gas chambers, and think Hitler was right.

There were 39 deaths at Heysel. It happened on TV in our lifetime and the facts are there if you care to look hard enough. It wasn’t “murder”. It was hooliganism and official incompetence. People were jailed after being found guilty of manslaughter. Some officials in Belgium were also charged and punished by their authorities.

There were 96 deaths at Hillsborough. It happened on TV in our lifetime and the facts are there if you care to look hard enough. It wasn’t “murder”. It was official incompetence. CCTV footage was stolen from a locked room to cover that up. Police leaked stories to the press. Unfortunately Muppets like you lapped it up.

6 million plus men, women and children were herded up and TRULY cold bloodedly, 100% MURDERED in the Nazi camps.

You’ve got your priorities wrong. You need to spend a bit more time cleaning up your own festering back yard and expressing outrage at your fellow CFC anti Semites and little less time using Heysel and Hillsborough to score cheap points.

You want to talk about Chelsea fans singing songs to the Spurs fans about 6 million Jews (and I am a Jew by the way) you will get no argument from me that it is disgusting and distasteful and i would prefer that it be stamped out of the game. The difference is that Chelsea fans did not lead the 6 million Jews to their death, Liverpool fans DID lead 39 Juventus fans to their death and then thought it would be OK to unfurl banners at their home ground taking the piss. At the same time Liverpool fans have forced a panel to be meeting in Liverpool (without a single representative of the South Yorkshire police mind) to see if they can get an official way to blame everyone else for Hillsborough.

Hillsborough was a second tragedy in four years where there was more loss of life in a different country, city and stadium but with the exact same club at its center. That is more than just a coincidence.

The issue is that Liverpool talk such shit and react so manically whevnever anybody mentions Hillsborough you would think that they would make a special point of making sure that their shit didn’t stink too much especially at their own ground.

If you want to be listened to and play the victim until the cows come home that is almost fine as long as you are righter than right and whiter than white when it comes to these issues.

Of course all fans can be bell heads but this particular incident (although SOS’s season ending due last year was a right doosey) is beyond the pale. Liverpool fans kill 39 Juventus fans, English football banned from Europe for 5 years, Liverpool’s biggest rival suffers because they would have been the English entrant for 1986 (in a run by Liverpool, Forest and Villa of English total domination) and Liverpool fans think it is just swell to unfurl a banner in their ground 24 years later having some fun with it.

For all the noise that Liverpool fans make about everything ( and i don’t mean singing that ripped off song) they should make sure that they are really doing it better and cleaner than everyone else and then when they feel aggrieved they can complain but at this moment they do not have a leg to stand on.

Remember in 1986 we won the double & the Screen Sport Super Cup – forerunner to the Canmpionbs Leagure – which United failed to qualify for that year.

something stinks here? No one picked up on this on saturday, not even my Evertonian friends made the connection. Mind you from a team that has always lived in our shadow one would expect this.

What’s disappointing is the way fans like the author of this blog jump at the slightest opportunity to paint Liverpool black, when he knows well Man Utd have the same kind of idiots. Idiots who print and sell t-shirts saying 96 wasn’t enough, or drape banners with the same words to greet Liverpool fans visiting OT.

This blog is dripping in hypochrisy, it’s only purpose is to fuel the hatred the OP has for Liverpool, itself an idiotic sentiment. It’s only a rivalry after all.

This blog loses all its pupose when it attempts to tar all Liverpool fans with the same brush because of a handful of mindless idiots who shouldn’t be allowed into football grounds.

Everton fans displayed a banner at a European match stating “Justice for the 39” and sing about Heysel. Is that not using 39 deaths to score cheap points?

Manchester United supporters sell badges, t-shirts and boxer shorts referring to Heysel. and sing about Heysel. Is that not using 39 deaths to score cheap points?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=republikofmancunia+without+killing&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq=

As for Chelsea fans expressing outrage over Heysel. Do they not see the irony in singing about 6 million plus people being gassed and murdered by the Nazis when they play Spurs, then screaming “murderers” at Liverpool fans?

“Heysel: the tragedy that should never have happened”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article432432.ece

“Heysel: the tragedy” – the views of a Juventus fan
http://bianconeri.tripod.com/heysel.html

This is precisely the attitude that this pathetic flag was mocking. The idea that all Everton had to do in 1986 was turn up and that it all went wrong from that moment on is quite frankly bollocks.

If you want a more balanced view of what led to Heysel you could do worse than read Brian Glanville’s article in the Times entitled “Heysel: the tragedy that should never have happened”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article432432.ece

Or how about the views of a Juventus fan (note his summing up on the main reasons for the tragedy):

http://bianconeri.tripod.com/heysel.html

The families of the 39 who died at Heysel deserved to have a full enquiry into every aspect of what happened that day. The fact that they didn’t get it is a disgrace. 39 people died at a football match because of a combination of official incompetence and football hooliganism (on both sides, incidentally, and the type of behaviour that happened at every English football ground throughout the seventies and eighties and still happens in Italy today). People were jailed after Heysel, charged and found guilty of manslaughter; police officials were also charged in Belgium. You choose to ignore that and cry “murderers”. Uefa in particular, acted as if the organisation of the event, and the safety of those attending had absolutely nothing to do with them.

Everton fans displayed a banner at a European match stating justice for the 39? Is that not using 39 deaths to score cheap points?

What about the Manchester United supporter’s fan site run by “Scott the Red”?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=republikofmancunia+without+killing&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq=

Scott sells badges, t-shirts and underwear celebrating the deaths of 39 football fans at Heysel. Boxer shorts hoodies the lot! Classy.

As for Chelsea and Arsenal fans expressing outrage over 39 people dying at Heysel. Do they not see the irony in singing about 6 million plus people being gassed and murdered by the Nazis when they play Spurs?

Yes the banner is crap and offensive and the idiot who brought it in should be condemned, but for god’s sake, get off your high horses and stop being such a bunch of hypocrites.

As for Hillsborough, that had NOTHING to do with hooliganism, it was mismanagement from start to finish. A similar tragedy almost happened in April 1981 when Spurs played Wolves in the FA cup semi-final, (9 minutes and 9 seconds into the clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imYujpP7XMs

Spurs fans can be seen climbing over the fences to escape being crushed. 38 spurs fans suffered crushing injuries that day. The authorities didn’t use Hillsborough for semi-finals for another Six years. In 1987 there was another incident involving fans being crushed. As pointed out in the Taylor Report, the ground was unsafe and didn’t have a valid safety certificate despite incidents of crushing at the very same end of the ground.

In asking for the release of documentation relating to Hillsborough, the following was found pinned to the front of a statement from a police constable on duty at Hillsborough – it is a handwritten instruction from a senior officer.

“LAST TWO PAGES REQUIRE AMENDING,” it notes. “… HE ALSO STATES THAT PCS (POLICE CONSTABLES) WERE SAT DOWN CRYING WHEN THE FANS WERE CARRYING THE DEAD AND INJURED. THIS SHOWS THAT THEY WERE ORGANISED AND WE WERE NOT. HAVE [THE PC] REWRITE THE LAST TWO PAGES EXCLUDING POINTS MENTIONED.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/13/hillsborough-disaster-police-south-yorkshire-liverpool

That’s why the families are not giving up. There was a cover up by senior officers and an attempt to smear fans via anonymous leaks to the media.

LFC are pathetic, their fans are pathetic and the Media bias towards them is pathetic…. I have never once seen an anit-Liverpool fans article, no matter how badly they behave. UEFA confirmed them as the worst fans in Europe, yet no mention here because of some sort of “special” atmosphere from the Kop. Behave, Anfield is like a library… a library frequented by thugs, murderers and twisted and sick individuals (90% of them not from Liverpool)

What i feel is equally shameful is that Liverpool as a club don’t say anything about it, they don’t suggest that they will investigate who these people are , who showed that banner and that they will be banned from Anfield for life. But there is not a word because the club is as cowardly as the fans…no spine, no backbone and no moral compass. How can the Liverpool directors (yes even Hicks and Gillette who would clearly have no idea about the reference) not have something to say about it. Their silence is tacit approval.

And don’t get me started on the English media who would not touch it with a 10 foot poll.

The whole thing is pathetic from club, fans and media…gutless cowards.

And what are you doing on a Manchester United blog in the first place?

What a “True Blue” you are.

Show me where this is reported, and I might have a mediocre amount of respect for LFC.

They want respect for the hillsboro victims yet sing sick songs about lampards dead mum.

Utter utter beauts.

Alright Sharky, that is one of the best posts i have ever read and completely true.

Not only Heysel and their contribution to Hillsborough but the fact that they wanted to re-enact it in Athens in 2007. Now these complete scumbags unfurl a banner where they are celebrating the fact they killed in cold blood 39 Juventus fans (and they want to sue Juventus for wanting Benitez, like killing 39 of their fans was not enough) but also got English football banned for 5 years. This is a special kind of sick and of course the British media are so scared they will not touch it. But say a word about Hillsborough and they will come after you, your life and your family and i know about it firsthand.

Meanwhile a new commission is underway to examine what happened at Hillsborough demanding the truth about what happened after 3.15pm that tragic day while not having any interest in the behaviour of Liverpool fans before 3.15pm that day whereby what happened after 3.15pm would not even be relevant. Same old rubbish just blame everyone else.

What utter garbage.

Let’s be honest – nothing they do surprises me anymore. The YouTube video of them mocking the Munich Disaster, especially at a fan-club end of season party, just summed them up for me.

Nice to know neutrals acknowledge what scum Liverpool fans can be as well.

Heysel was the death-knell of a great Everton side, and it has ramifications for the future of our club… a legacy we haven’t recovered from. From 1977-85, the champions of England strolled to success in Europe, with the exception of a great Hamburg side in 1983. We were next up, had won the league by 11 points, had won the European Cup Winners Cup and only narrowly missed out on the treble by playing our 2nd cup final in 3 days (no mention of who beat us that day). Add to this we signed the best English goalscorer of his generation in Gary Lineker (who tells to this day the 1986 Everton side was the greatest he played in, better than Barca and England 1990).

We won the league again in 87 but we lost lineker, our manager and the team broke up. Kendall and Lineker left for Spain and to play in Europe. Without doubt the team of 85-86 were young enough to play together into the 1990’s. You club (although always a massive club) benefitted so much from being top of the league when the Sky money arrived. Had Sky money came in 1986 and with European football to play for, who knows how big Everton could be.

To conclude, not only was Heysel murder….. but Heysel, Hillsborough, Athens, Bulgaria and countless other incidents all point the finger of blame at one club, and the culture of one club. Justice for the 96? How many of those deaths were caused by the behaviour of LFC “fans” that day?

Heysel was murder. Justice for EFC. Forza Juve